I saw Daniel Kitson at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival last night and very funny he was too. His rants against 'smokers rights' and Zoo magazine were highlights and in some places he hit comedy nirvana particuarly when he described someone as 'cunt cubed'. Exceptionally funny.
However, the whole premise of his narrative was that stuff that is 'alternative' gets shit as soon as it hits the mainstream and that success inevitably means that fuckwits will start to like it and therefore the appeal of it (whether it be a band, song, movie etc) becomes diminished.
Now, this is a perspective I have always had issue with.
I like ATB '9pm Till I Come' - the slightly cheesy tune that really launched the trance explosion in 1999. Now, this tune was loved by every Sharon and Tracey in the land, in Ritzy nightclubs from Aberdeen to Aylesbury but you know what, I still liked it and still like it to this day. The actual tune hasn't changed no matter how many Barrys in their Ben Sherman tops have oi oi'ed to it down Chasers. It's the same song. If you like the song for what it is then your love for it shouldn't have changed. If however, you liked it because at first it was a new 'in' thing and only known by a few people 'in the know' then I would say your love of that song was extremely shallow. Similarly, if a band you like gets big and they start playing to 5,000 people rather than 100 people then surely you should be happy for them that their success is reaping rewards? And yes, some of the 'great unwashed' may come along and see them but hey ignore them and concentrate on the reason you're meant to be there: the music.
The problem with a lot of well educated middle class people is that they really hate it when the working classes start to invade their turf. Whether it be in a cultural sense or an educational sense. For example, it's all very well for Tarquin to study Philosophy & Latin at Cambridge but dear god, look at those oiks studying Media Studies at Kingston University - surely they should be doing something worthwhile with their lives like carpentery or plumbing?
The argument Kitson and many of his ilk make is nothing but smug snoberry - he may be funny, but he's wrong.
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ha ha! That's funny that someone starting smoking - lol! I particuarly liked his similie of someone going around stabbing someone because 'it's their civil liberty'! lol What I always find weird about the whole mainstream/underground thing is that I really dont (and nor do most people in fairness) consider whether something is mainstream or underground in deciding whether to like it. I just like things because they are good. I lke Big Brother but I also like weird stuff on SBS, I dont see why people have to identify with one or the other. Pick and choose from both and like what you like because it's good not because of what it symbolises.
Also, I think his argument was flawed as he confessed to liking the OC and he also said that objectively speaking Coldplay are good. So that kinda went against his argument. But hey, it was a stand up - maybe I should stop taking it so seriously hey? ha ha ha
At the end of the day it was exceedingly funny: job done!
no no no
things are never fixed. your love of a song is never purely a love of the song. because the efect a song has on you when you love it goes beyond "nice note there" and "ooo clever chord change there" it becomes an emotional thing. it strikes chords inside you. when the context of the song changes the song itself or at the very least the effect it has changes.
it has nothign to do with resenting success at all. it has to do with resenting the effects of sudden dissproprtianate mainstream success. why should i be happy that the thing i adore is now in the hands of millions? why? why not do 5 gigs in 1000 seater places rather than 1 in a 5000. the reasons are finance and ego based and neither of those are massively honourable.
your assumption its a class based distinction is ridiculous. it has nothing to do with class, race, age sex or any of the above. to assume that the mainstream is synonymous with the working classes is in actual fact an act of redundant snobbery in itelf.
as a well educated middle class person i dont have any problem with working class people loving the music i love. what i have a problem with is people glancing askance at the music i adore and using it as a backdrop for the banality and homogenous booze addled friday night is part night mentality.
part of loving beautiful music is that its beauty seems in part defiant. it seems courageous an fragile. and when the context of that beauty is changed that beauty becomes tarnished.
that is the nature of subjectivity.
So would someone like Mr Kitson (I assume you are not him!??) be pleased or fucked off that someone like me came to his gig and found him funny? After all - I like clubbing (and all that banal doof doof music), I like football, I like Big Brother. Does my very presence there and like of him tarnish the 'beauty' of his work?
See I just don't understand how this:
"what i have a problem with is people glancing askance at the music i adore and using it as a backdrop for the banality and homogenous booze addled friday night is part night mentality."
Effects your love of that music? I just find it bizzare. Just because they don't respect it or understand it doesn't mean you don't. Just ignore them.
It sounds like he was illustrating his point by stating a fondness for the oc (the oc soundtracks include some very nice songs – an inclusion that most likely appalls many of the band’s fans). I agree with the preceding anonymous post - contraryism and achingly beautiful, defiant things should always be taken seriously regardless of the humour or popularity that enshroud them. These things need to breathe and it is very hard to breathe with stupid, cunty, twerpy, loudmouthed, unapologetic catastrophes running around spoiling everything.
lol! -->
"These things need to breathe and it is very hard to breathe with stupid, cunty, twerpy, loudmouthed, unapologetic catastrophes running around spoiling everything."
As I said, it's all about snobbery.
Are you calling it snobbery because you are afraid that you are a cunty twerp? That is a rhetorical question by the way. I am sure that you are very nice.
ha ha don't worry I am quite happy about being a cunt :)
Then you are probably a very welcome presence at his shows. As long as you don't smoke or interrupt. Happy birthday! It is sad when people mistreat somthing that you hold dear, you must admit.
"It is sad when people mistreat somthing that you hold dear, you must admit."
Of course. For example, there have been numerous hard house 'cover versions' (or 'rapes' as I prefer to call them) of trance classics that have completely missed the point about what the tune was trying to convey in terms of emotional depth etc HOWEVER, these do not effect my perception of the original tune. Seeing Fuckwit 1 and Fuckwit 2 dance around to Tune X in the Rat and Parrot on Friday night does not mean that my amazing memory of hearing tune X on the Space Terrace, Ibiza is diminished in anyway. The two events are seperate and just because there are a pair of fuckwits dancing like twats to it doesn't mean the reason why I fell in love with it in the first place has changed.
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